The Art of Cable Management

Sean Rep, known for his meticulous cable management and massive social media following, shares his journey from central office trainee to "closet artist" with a reputation for creating perfect cable waterfalls.

• Started in 2000 with Lucent Technologies before the tech crash, receiving extensive training but limited field experience initially
• Bundles cables in groups of 12 for efficient management, dressing each bundle individually before combining
• Creates his signature "waterfalls" entirely by hand without cable combs through patience and attention to detail
• Strong preference for velcro over tie wraps for both aesthetics and safety reasons
• Accidentally became a social media sensation with his first TikTok reaching 200,000 views
• Currently working on a massive project with 1.9 million feet of Cat6 cable across 19 IDFs and 2 MBFs
• Prefers staying in the field over project management, enjoying the hands-on aspects of the work
• Uses CapCut to edit his videos, all shot on iPhone
• Identifies attention to detail as the most important trait for success in the ICT industry

Knowledge is power. Follow Sean on TikTok and Instagram @SeanRep to see his impressive cable management work.

Chapters

• 0:00 Meet Sean: The Closet Artist
• 3:15 Early Career and Training Experience
• 7:02 Dressing Cables: Process and Technique
• 10:31 Waterfalls: Creating Beautiful Cable Flow
• 16:33 Teaching Others and Attention to Detail
• 22:52 Social Media Success Journey
• 27:39 Future Projects and Career Aspirations

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

On this episode I've got a special guest. This guy is a closet artist and if you want to be better at dressing closets, you need to heed his words.

Speaker 2: 0:10

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Speaker 1: 2:08

As I mentioned earlier, today's guest is a special guest. I'm meeting him for the first time, but I've been an avid follower of this gentleman for a while on TikTok. Sean, welcome to the show. How are you doing? Hey, chuck, good to finally talk to you. Same here man, same here.

Speaker 1: 2:23

So for those who don't know Sean, sean Rep on TikTok and Instagram. He loves posting videos of the closets that he built out. As a 40-year veteran of the ICT community, I've seen some really good work and rarely have I ever seen any as good as what Sean does. So I'm bringing Sean on to talk about his processes and how he dresses his closets. Just kind of give you an idea. He's got almost 12,000 followers on Instagram and over 100,000 on TikTok, so he's got some social clout. He's got some social clout. He's being low-key about it. I already see him in the camera being low-key. What me? I'm same way. I really am. So the first question I have for for you is just kind of give us a a brief work history, sean, of of how you got in communications and how long you've been doing this.

Speaker 3: 3:15

So I'll go back to the beginning. Um, uh, growing up we had a family friend who there was a company called Lucent Technologies I don't know if you've heard of them, they were big back in the late 90s. He was a operations manager for the branch out of Wichita, kansas, and you know he'd always said, as soon as I turn 18, you know if I needed the job, you know, get my foot in the door. So I turn. Two weeks before I turn 18, you know, I realized I don't have a plan, um, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Call him up, um, the week after I turn 18. Um, he was like, said that there could possibly be an opening in Kansas City. So I go up to interview for that.

Speaker 3: 4:02

Umed up getting a job. I was one of the. I was the second to the last people that they hired in Kansas City. This was in 2000, early 2000, before the crash. So them not having a lot of work going on, they sent me to installer 1 course in Chicago. That was a four-week-long course.

Speaker 3: 4:32

Came back to Kansas City, they didn't have anything for me to do, so they sent me to Installer 2. And so it was kind of a good opportunity and a bad opportunity, just because I wasn't able to get a lot of hands-on work out in the field. But I was getting a lot of training, um, mostly with uh working in COs doing the um high cable, high pair count, you know, feeder during 1200 pairs, bison and um doing all that and you know, just kind of click. You know I'm not, I'm not real book smart, but I'm good with colors, so it kind of it does seem to work out um, uh.

Speaker 3: 5:17

Anyways, then I was supposed to be in um, I was scheduled to go to queens, new York. I was supposed to be there September 1st 2011. Um, I got put off two weeks and then you know what happened on September 11th. So that ended up getting canceled. They laid everybody off, or 50% of the workforce in Kansas city. So I got laid off no actual field experience, but lots of training. So I got laid off no actual field experience, but lots of training. So then I start looking for, you know, I know I like doing cabling. So I looked for a structured cabling company, found one here in Kansas City and, yeah, the rest is history.

Speaker 1: 6:00

You know it makes sense now, Not that you say that you had central office experience, because I see a lot of similarities, the way you dress cable to the way that central offices are dressed out. So that makes a lot of sense. Now it's. I'm starting to see the picture.

Speaker 3: 6:14

Yep, I started out with wax string. That's, that's how I knew, that's how I started. So what's your favorite stitch?

Speaker 1: 6:22

Oh, the Kansas city favorite stitch, the Kansas City of course, of course, I was always a big fan of the Chicago, yeah, kansas City, yep, yep, very cool. So the process for dressing out a closet starts taking place long before you get the cables inside the closet. There's some planning and stuff. What steps do you go through with your end product in mind?

Speaker 3: 6:45

Well, I mean, every job varies. It depends on the size of the job. Some customers want different color cable for different devices. Some of them are large, some of them are small. I typically get stuck, or I wouldn't say stuck. I like doing the larger projects. I typically get stuck, or I wouldn't say stuck. I like doing the larger projects. So for me it's all prepping the cable, you know, setting up. I try to get as many cables into a pole. I know a lot of people don't agree with this, but I like to do bundles of 12. So if I can maximize my bundle layout, it's a lot less separating in the closet. Um, whenever it gets to that point though, um yeah, uh, separating and just prepping, um, that's, that's my big thing. It makes closet work go so much quicker.

Speaker 1: 7:49

So when you're looking at the floor plans, because you're trying to keep them in bundles of 12, I guess you look at your floor plans and try to pick which 12 are going to be closest together and try to maximize your pools that way. Does that sound about right?

Speaker 3: 8:01

Yeah, I mean, I always try to make my my as built as clean as possible. That way my numbers are, you know, clockwise, you know try to keep them all in orderly fashion, but also try to keep in mind my whole setup, so as I'm labeling it yeah, there may be people out there may not know what as built mean.

Speaker 1: 8:22

So they you hear the terms-built and red lines in our industry, right, so as-built is actually how you're running the cable and the numbers and where the drops and where they go. Red lines also indicate, like the pathways of where the cables are going to go down the hallways. Does that sound about the same for you? Yeah, now I gotta ask you a question Tire wraps or Velcro? Velcro always. I didn't do the answer because I see your videos all the time. I already know what your answer is.

Speaker 1: 8:55

I don't even have tire wraps on my truck. One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone doesn't cut the tire wraps. Flush, yeah, and you pull the cable and you get all torn up.

Speaker 3: 9:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:06

So you're really good at doing waterfalls right. At least that's what we call them where I came from. Waterfalls you call it something different in Kansas city.

Speaker 3: 9:13

Nope Waterfall or cable dropouts.

Speaker 1: 9:15

Exactly so. For those who may not know what a waterfall is, when a bundle comes out of the wall from like the sleeve, it wall from like the sleeve. It's like it looks like a hose and you should be able to put your finger in any one of them cables and trace that thing all the way down, all the way to the patch mount, and you shouldn't dive on any of the cables. You shouldn't have anything. It's, it's a work of art. Now you do a really good job with viewers. What steps or tools do you use to get your beautiful, beautiful?

Speaker 3: 9:42

waterfalls, Patience. No, like I said, I like to do bundles of 12 and I actually dress the bundles of 12 individually and put them into a group of four bundles to make 48. So I have four groups of 12 and I dress those all four individually and go right behind it with a bundle of 48. And I usually don't go too far, especially whenever I'm coming up on a bend. So as I'm going around that bend, I keep it nice and tight and just kind of let it all stick together and flow through that bend and kind of twisting the cable back and forth as I go, just to kind of keep them in line and in order.

Speaker 4: 10:31

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Speaker 1: 11:17

You do it all by hand. You don't use the cable comb.

Speaker 3: 11:20

No, I don't comb. No, I don't, I'm not dissing the comb, I've just never tried it and it kind of seemed like a longer process to me and that might sound silly and I'm almost afraid. Maybe I'll try it like it. Oh, I just I've never tried it.

Speaker 1: 11:39

I've never tried the cable comb either myself. I've always done it by hand and I'll be the first to admit, my waterfalls don't look anywhere near as good as yours are. I'm going to change it. I hate the term cable porn. I hate that, so I'm going to coin a new one and I'm going to call you a closet artist. Okay, I like that better. I just don't like that term, cable porn. The majority of your videos show copper cabling. You know copper. You know dressing out stuff. Do you do fiber?

Speaker 3: 12:08

yes, I do, um, I actually like doing fiber. Um, but the our cape, our company's kind of set up, we we have a designated fiber guy. Um, we do quite a bit of fiber and we we always kind of, you know, fiber is his priority, so we always try to keep him busy. Now some of my projects if he's busy, um, you know, I'll jump in and do the fiber. Or you know, if there's not much fiber to do, I'll jump in and do that. But, um, you know, I'm I usually kind of an acting foreman on all these projects too. So I'm kind of limited on On you know how much and what I can do, usually as far as I'm restraints go.

Speaker 1: 12:55

Which is your favorite copper fiber? What you'd like to do more?

Speaker 2: 13:00

Um.

Speaker 3: 13:03

I'd have to go with copper. Yeah, I mean, I like I would rather splice fiber than punch down copper, but I like dressing copper more than tinkering with fiber.

Speaker 1: 13:18

If that makes sense. So when you're dressing out the cables, does it soothe your inner soul? Does it soothe the OCD in you?

Speaker 3: 13:24

You know as crazy as that sounds it really does. I know a lot of people say that it would make them go crazy, but and there's times I mean it, just it gets. It seems like it gets tedious, but I've found, you know, podcast, music and stuff really kind of help you get your mind off of that and just kind of make it go smoother and fly by faster.

Speaker 1: 13:50

I guess I know one really good podcast you can listen to while you're dressing up.

Speaker 1: 13:53

Oh yeah, I've listened to a few, not that I can't name it, but you know it is like right there. So if you have an apprentice working for you branch banking new guy, he's only been pulling, or girl doesn't have to be a guy, and they've only been pulling cable and they've expressed an interest on learning how to dress cables as good as you, right, what steps would you go through in teaching that apprentice on how to be a water expert, a closet artist?

Speaker 3: 14:28

I knew you were going to ask me a hard question. Um, I, I, the hardest part is just finding somebody that wants to learn, um, and I guess, has the desire to actually take the time and and do it. Um, you know, once, especially I, there's, there's some outfits out there that they do work all over the country and I've noticed that they can. Um, it seems like they have a bigger pool to pull from. They can actually find some of these people that this is what they want to do and you know they, they want to learn, they want to get into the industry, but it's, it's really it's been really hard to find, find that, at least here locally.

Speaker 3: 15:14

Um, but I guess the few that I have found that have wanted to learn is just, you know, taking spending time showing them the techniques that I learned, and I never push on them that they have to do it my way. It's what works for me, but I've seen other people take it and do it a different way and make it work for them. It doesn't for me, but just let them figure out what works best for them and just guide them. If I think it's a crazy idea, let them know, but I mean, if it's not, if it's something that might work for them, good for them.

Speaker 1: 15:57

I think the two biggest keys and you already hit on one of them is patience. You've got to have patience right. If you're one of those people who just gets frustrated with a little thing, dressing out of clouds is not for you. You just go out and terminate the station side, you put on your you know, crawl underneath the desk and listen to tunes while you're doing it. Right, Patience is definitely one of them. And then I think the second one is you have to have an OCD nature. You just do I drive my wife crazy because we'll go to like Chili's. You know, Chili's has the tables with the squares. I put my coaster perfectly inside of the square, Yep, and then, if she messes with it, I got to put a bang Closet dressing. Some people might call it attention to detail. Yeah, I call it OCD.

Speaker 3: 16:41

I wouldn't say I have OCD. I would Okay At work, yeah, but I mean at home in general.

Speaker 1: 16:50

You know I'm not, I'm not nearly as clean at home as I am at work. So let me ask you this If you could go back to and talk to your 18 year old self, what advice would you give yourself now that you have your experience?

Speaker 3: 17:08

Uh, you know, on social media, um, there's a lot of resources, um, and that's it's mind blowing. Some of this, you know we're working with Blake and some of the stuff that that he's doing in the Slack group and stuff. You know, I really wish I had access to a lot of that. I feel like I would have gotten so much further, so much faster. I mean not to date myself, but it wasn't completely my fault, because you know, a lot of that wasn't in existence yet 20 years ago, but you know, 10 years ago I really wish I would have gotten in more involved so you're obviously on social media a lot, right, oh, who's your favorite?

Speaker 1: 17:53

who's your favorite? Uh, tiktok artist. I know you've got to be watching people dressing out closet stuff. Who's your favorite?

Speaker 3: 18:01

uh, well, I mean let's start cabling is.

Speaker 1: 18:05

Yeah, wasn't looking for a compliment oh, I don't dress out closets on my, on my TikToks uh, I mean is, is there? I guess I haven't really found all green lights is one of look at it up, I mean yeah, yeah, um and then there's another one, um the girl, um geek talk, geek IT Talk, or something like that. I think her name was off my head.

Speaker 3: 18:28

She's going to kill me too, she's pretty new, right, I've just recently come across her. Yeah, I don't know how much experience she has. Well, I think she has a lot of experience. I just now came across her, but, yeah, I've been pretty impressed For her IT too. But yeah, I've been pretty impressed For IT too. Chris is I've, you know, actually shadowed Chris on a project once and it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3: 19:00

So you said you mentioned Live, oldies, nation and Blake how long have you been following them or in their social media circles? Well, that's like I was telling you earlier, that's kind of how I how it all started for me. I found out about Low Voltage Nation probably about a year and a half ago and, yeah, it's kind of opened some doors for me.

Speaker 1: 19:21

Blake had just posted on social media, or no, no, it was a Slack channel, I think. Welcome Sean, welcome sean rep. I'm like first I thought you'd been in, so I thought you're already in low voltage nation for for a while and stuff, and I was like I know that guy I and, to be honest, I didn't even.

Speaker 3: 19:36

I mean, I've heard him talk about the slack group but I didn't know how it worked. Um, you know, it was I never. Yeah, that was new for me. The Slack group as far as you know, I'd been following and posting on the Facebook group for about a year.

Speaker 1: 19:56

What do you think is the most important trait that an ICT installer could have to make them successful?

Speaker 3: 20:02

Attention to detail. That's kind of my pet peeve. You, you know, it doesn't have to be, doesn't have compulsive or anything but, um, just the little things. I, you know, and people that ask me about dressing closets, you know, just want advice. It's for me it's just the little details, like the spacing of your Velcro, the tails of the Velcro tucked in so they're visible. Those two things I feel like can go a long ways, even if it's not pinstripe. I mean, it's just the little details like that. And then, don't, don't overthink. I mean that may not go hand in hand, but I find a lot of these bigger projects. Sometimes some of the guys I work with they like to overthink things. You know, I've found it. It usually works itself out. You know, you spend, you waste half a day just overthinking something and then wishing you did it a different way.

Speaker 4: 21:11

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Speaker 1: 21:58

Yeah, I call that analysis paralysis. Some people will think about and I have a mentor and he's listening right now and you know I'm talking about you he will think about and I have a mentor and he's listening right now and you know I'm talking about you he will. He will think about 45 ways of doing something. Yeah, I told him just make a decision and go quit, quit. Anyway, at some point you got to jump off the fence. Yeah, got to jump off the fence.

Speaker 1: 22:19

And the attention to detail is so key because when you're on a project because I don't know what size crews you generally work with, but I used to work with I've worked with different size crews, but a lot of times it was just like me and maybe two or three other people, and usually one or two people's dressed in the closet and the other techs are out there terminating I don't know a floor and you got to trust them guys out on the floor because they're going from jack to jack to jack to jack and if just 10% of them are wired wrong, that means you got to go back and fix them after you've terminated and tested them. One of the things that we used to do is the guys who are terminating out in the field. I always told them to put their initials on the back side of the faceplate.

Speaker 3: 23:03

Do you use the same kind of a tip? We have done that before. Usually, you know, working with a new crew, crew trying to figure guys out.

Speaker 3: 23:07

Um, yeah, yeah that I thought it was a bad idea at first, but it actually um really ended up figuring out you know who's the go-to guy was. And then we would, uh, we would see who could go the longest without having a single fail. And I actually got teamed up with a with a pretty good Um. We were doing a big project in Springfield pre-K, one of these schools and, um, we would start, we would go like three schools without having a single fail. I mean, we just became so competitive at it and, you know, trying to make ourselves fast, it was, it was it was a fun little game.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Yeah, my brother and I used to do that. We used to work together for many, many years and it's funny because we knew each other so well, and this is not because we were brothers, because we worked so long together. When we get to the job site, as we're unloading the truck, I'd say are you dressing the closet or am I dressing the closet? This is before we even pulled the first cable, and once we've established that I knew what I had to do, he knew what he had to do, we didn't have to communicate anything about the job. We talked all day long. We talked about how our sister's doing and you know how, about them, redskins and all that other fun stuff, but never think about the job, because we knew we worked so well as a team, and so communication really, really comes into play there.

Speaker 1: 24:26

Now I want to switch gears and talk a little bit about your social media stuff, cause I want you. You know, I know that my little 1300 followers is not going to make a dent to yours, but if you're following me, you need to be following Sean, because he's I'm telling you he does some quality work. How did you get into social media? What inspired you?

Speaker 3: 24:44

Well, like I said, it kind of just became a, a, a artistic outlet I guess, for me. Um, you know, just messing around on um, some of these apps, I actually do all these videos with my phone, with my iPhone, um, and so, tiktok, I was messing around and realized that they actually had a pretty cool, um you know, app where you could edit videos, and so I don't use it anymore, but, um, at least their app, but it. That's kind of what started. I just started messing around on there and, um, yeah, I accidentally posted one one day and the rest is history.

Speaker 1: 25:30

There you go. Did you? Do you have a background in photography and videography, or is this just something you just are doing?

Speaker 3: 25:35

no, I mean, I've always kind of messed around, making, you know, videos for the family and stuff. You know, facebook stuff like that. Yeah, I got you know, I figured, you know, seeing some of the work on on a low voltage, low voltage nation, um decided to just, you know, kind of mess around with it and, like I said, I accidentally posted one and it it got like a hundred thousand views the first, 200,000 views the first day and, um, you know, I didn't even realize it, cause I didn't know how the app worked. And I went to open it one day and I was like what's all this? And I'm finding out it was about my video and you know I was kind of inspired.

Speaker 1: 26:18

so very cool, the um. So you mentioned a lot of people say you know. One of the questions I get asked a lot is what camera gear do you use? You know I have. We have a photography business so I have some really good cameras, but I don't use them for my vlogging stuff because I find the simpler the better. You mentioned your iPhone. I do a lot of my stuff with iPhones. Right now I'm recording this with a webcam but, for example, when I did all the stuff I filmed last week at the Bixby conference, that was all done on my iPhone and it just makes it a lot easier. I use CapCut to edit my stuff inside my videos. Do you use any kind of editor when you film your stuff? I use CapCut.

Speaker 3: 26:58

Yeah, I use. There's another one and of course I can't think of the name right now, but I use it a lot for some of my filters that CapCut doesn't have. So between the two CapC, usually my, my main one.

Speaker 1: 27:16

Yeah, cap cut. I just, I think, I think I just learned about cap cut through you and Blake yeah, blake, on the on the Slack channel. I was like wait, what, what's that? And then I downloaded. I process most of my stuff through cap cut now, you know, because it's a lot easier, it gives you more options and stuff too, yeah, so what's what's next for you? What's the next big challenge, big hurdle that you want to achieve?

Speaker 3: 27:42

We are. We just started a big project. Last week we got 1.9 million foot of chat six slated for this project. It's got 19 IDF and two mbfs, so I'm pretty excited about it. It's going to keep me busy for for the next year I was gonna say, at least for the next couple weeks yeah, oh yeah, and we're doing a lot of the, a lot of we're doing all the fiber and they're. They have a signal cabling backbone, some you know kind of some specialty stuff going on there that'll be fun to get into.

Speaker 1: 28:19

I definitely look forward to seeing pictures from that. Let me ask you what's the next big career step for you? What do you? Because I know you probably don't want to do. You want to just be a closet artist your entire life, and that's fine if you do, because there are some people that are really good at it. But what's your next big?

Speaker 3: 28:33

goal career-wise. I've had so many offers to you know be a project manager, and you know all that. I've done it. I want to be working in the field. I like working in the field. So, no, I'm really happy where I'm at. Yeah just doing what I'm doing, meeting great people and, you know, just trying to trying to do better on each job.

Speaker 1: 28:58

I miss that too. I I I remember when I was in the field. I couldn't wait to become a project manager, and then I became a project manager and all I wanted to do was going back to being in the field.

Speaker 3: 29:08

Yep Nope, that was the, that was the goal to reach and you know I thought that's what I wanted to do and I just hated it. You know, I just watched project managing these jobs. I just, instead of watching people do it, I just wanted to do it myself, and you know I was just miserable. So you know, that's kind of kind of why I like doing the bigger jobs. I can kind of have the best of both worlds. You know, I can kind of manage the big project and, you know, have my hands on it at the same time.

Speaker 1: 29:39

Yeah, that is the best of both worlds and that's a beautiful thing. That's one of the things I really like about the ICT industry is, if you don't like your current work environment, wait a couple of weeks. You'll be in a new job somewhere else, except for that big one you're doing. You're going to be there for a couple of weeks. Yep, yep, it'll be well. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show tonight. Any departing words of wisdom? Where can people find you? On Tik TOK Instagram.

Speaker 3: 30:05

Um, it's pretty. It's pretty easy to Sean.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Rep Um my cable skills might be creative, but as far as coming up with a creative name, just my name, sean Ruff, on Instagram and TikTok. We must be from the same school, because mine's the same way. My TikTok is my name. Yeah, I've never been good at coming up with fake names. And why come up with a fake name? I am who I am.

Speaker 3: 30:32

Right, yeah, and why come up with?

Speaker 1: 30:34

a fake name. I am who, I am Right. All right, see you. Thanks for being on the show and look forward. Make sure you send us some pictures of that new project when you start dressing up cable, because I'm telling you you are a closet artist.

Speaker 3: 30:45

You will probably see some.

Speaker 1: 30:48

Sounds like your time, everybody. Knowledge is power.

Speaker 2: 30:51

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