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Comparing Toolboxes: Milwaukee PACKOUT Vs. Klein MODbox Part 1
Are you on the hunt for the perfect toolbox? Do you want to hear first-hand experience before making the investment? If so, sit back, relax, and join us in this engaging discussion where we compare and contrast the Milwaukee PACKOUT and the Klein Mod-Box. Both toolboxes have been personally tested and the pros and cons explored. Greg Palese from Klein Tools also joins us to provide his expert insights on the Klein MODbox.
New Series on Let's Talk Cabling, we dive deep into the world of tool organization and storage solutions within the ICT industry. Join us as we compare and contrast two industry giants, Klein MODbox and Milwaukee PACKOUT kits, in an unbiased and thorough review.
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Speaker 1:So, as I did in the intro, I finally bit the bullet. If you know me, I've been hammering the Milwaukee Pack-Op people for two years because they are just a little fanatic and it may be part of it was a little bit jealousy, because all I have is a great big old job box, right, and maybe it's a little bit of jealousy. But you know, the more and more I think about it, the more I think I really do need one of these, not just for my little Volgis Escapades but also around the farm, right. But if you know me well enough, you know me. I don't like doing what everybody else does. I like being different, I like going a different route. So I was kind of in a query what do I do? I don't want to become one of the Milwaukee family about kids and I don't want to invest a bunch of money, but I do want a good quality product.
Speaker 1:And I was walking around the Nika show just a few weeks ago doing one of my breaks, because I was actually there working and I happened to walk by the climb booth and before the show opened and guess what they had sitting there, they had the Modbox and I even stopped, took a video and if you don't take that, you saw that video already. I was like I got checked into this more and then I got to think about it. I got back from the show, from the Nika show. Well, I need to do a comparison show because there's got to be other people like me who are, who are getting ready to buy a system and let's be honest, they're not gonna. It's not gonna be cheap, but this is gonna be a lifetime investment.
Speaker 1:So you got it's kind of like a camera. Once you buy Nikon or Nikon, you're stuck with Nikon lenses. If you go, can you kind of stuff with this? You got to think about this in advance and that's what I'm like. Maybe I need to do a Comparison series. So you know, what I did is I went and bought a Milwaukee pack out and a Mala and a client mod box. Don't tell my wife, okay, they're up in this shop. She doesn't know it yet, she hasn't seen them, but she watches this show. I'm sure she's gonna see it at some point. Right? So I'm gonna do comparison video where I'm gonna test the quality on these two, and part of this whole process is I've reached out to both Klein and Milwaukee to do an interview to talk about their products. Well, today I have Klein on, so Welcome to the show, greg police from Klein, how are you doing, my friend?
Speaker 2:Good man, how are you doing today? Good to see you again.
Speaker 1:I am doing fantastic and you know, life could be better. I could be a little bit less pain because of the stupid tooth thing. I keep telling people it's a. It's a tooth ache, but they extracted the tooth, so technically it's not a tooth ache anymore because the tooth is gone. But I'm rocking and rolling man, rocking and rolling. It's good to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 2:Good to see you as well. Thanks for thanks for having us on here. That that studio looks kind of familiar.
Speaker 1:You have to tell me a little bit about that studio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is, uh, this is. This is where all the magic happens. This is our uh, our video studio here. That's where we host a lot of our Klein lives that many of your viewers have seen, where we tend to do a lot of product demos. We tend to do a lot of sales training here. So this studio is multi-purpose. And, uh, behind the scenes, behind the cameras here, I got a great group of guys Uh, helping make me look pretty.
Speaker 1:Where's my group of guys? You can borrow mine someday, mind, don't mind. Don't sound like there's many. There is yours for you. That's not fair. Is that where they do the spinny wheel thing and they give away that stuff on tiktok?
Speaker 2:This is it, man. This is where we, uh, that's where we do a spinning wheel. Uh, you know, we we take a lot of questions from our audiences. Uh, tiktok, instagram, all these pinball, uh, we'll spin off prize wheel and uh, if you're the lucky winner, we'll, uh, we'll send you out some free tools.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice. So for the one person out there who might have never heard of Klein Because they just got in the industry like yesterday, got it, give us, give us the tell us about who you are and who Klein is sure.
Speaker 2:So Klein tools uh still family owned, family run company. Uh founded in 1857 and we're run by the Klein family. We're on our sixth generation of leadership today. We still make the majority of our tools here in the us, down at our factories in in Mansfield, texas, and we are the industry leaders In things like pliers, wire strippers, screwdrivers, things like that. We are the industry leader and if you're just getting into the industry today, hopefully you'll buy some Klein tools because they'll last you another 30 years as you progress through your uh, through your career.
Speaker 1:I've got a pair of Klein snips that while they're not 40 years old, they're at least a couple decades old. I couldn't tell you exactly when I bought them. They've been in my tool case for a long, through three houses, so that tells me right there, it's been around for at least two decades.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have a. We have a great group of guys uh online the Klein tools collectors Uh facebook page uh. So at Nica last uh two a couple weeks ago, we had a guy come over and he brought a pair of pliers Uh from the 1890s Uh and shared him with us that he found, that he has in his possession and you know what Uh, I guess in a pinch if you were stranded on desert island uh, you could still use these 1890 pliers to get you around. So it gives you an idea of how long these things last if you take care of them.
Speaker 1:Did did bring it out of a box and have only his white gloves, kind of like the museum curator.
Speaker 2:It was. It was definitely a little like white glove treatment there and uh, you know, it felt like something uh, the Stanley cup or something else where he was very much protective of this thing. But again, I'm not sure how much it cost, but again, uh, 1890, god bless it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people collect things. They just absolutely collect things. Um, I collect code books, that's my thing, I collect okay, there you go. And the first nc code book was published in 1897. But probably, unlike that Klein tool a a intact copy. Nc code book from 1897 Is about five grand Holy cow. I can't hide that one from the from the misses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right now we, uh, you know again, we we have a lot of guys who go out there and they, they, uh, they cruise uh flea markets and garage sales and we always see people finding stuff from, uh, you know, early 1900s Out there. We did a contest a couple years ago to find the oldest pair of Klein's Um. We gave a $5,000 reward for it and a guy gave us some Uh 1904 and he found him. He bought him for two bucks Uh, at a flea market. That's a heck of an investment, right there, nice for the turn.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:You gotta know what. You gotta know what you're. You gotta know what you're looking for right.
Speaker 1:Exactly right, exactly right. So let's talk about the mod box. Sure, Uh, first off, how long has it been?
Speaker 2:out. So we launched the mod box this year 2023, earlier this spring. Uh, we, uh we came out probably about april. Uh, so, when these things started shipping and uh, it's been a uh you know, we haven't been able to keep up with the demand. People have been uh buying them up and, uh, we are quite thrilled with the success.
Speaker 1:One of the things that kind of threw me off like I said, I already bought a pack out and climb box to do my whole testing thing and one of the things that kind of threw me off is when I went to Lowe's to get my Modbox. It wasn't with all the other toolboxes, it was in a separate section by itself, like 20 feet away, and I actually had to stop and ask the. You know men, we don't ask directions, right? I had to stop and ask one of the Lowe's guys hey, I'm looking for the Modbox and he didn't know what it was. He had to look up in his little scanner thing. He goes oh, it's section 20. And he looked at and then you saw the big orange thing. There it is. I got it from here. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know we just announced a new partnership with Lowe's this year. So as we roll out in their stores, sometimes right now we're in some different nod places, but as the rollout progresses, you know, people will be able to find us in their typical places where they look for all their tools.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it didn't bother me, it was just I expected it to be there. But when I found you couldn't miss it Once the guy pointed me in the right direction over top of all the aisles I could see all the orange I was like, never mind, I got it from here, got it from here. Right, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I saw you guys at NECA, the National Electrical Contractors Association show, and I stopped and talked to a couple of you guys at the booth there and they were showing me all the benefits and stuff and I could definitely tell that there was a lot of influence from electricians, yeah, a lot of influence from electricians. Like the notch on the top for conduit for measuring. There's even a spot inside where you can cut a piece of conduit, put it in there, put your spools on, spin off, stuff like that. What are some key features or benefits that may be? Somebody from the low voltage industry Like doing voice and data cabling?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think there's three key features that I think can really appeal to, whether it's low voltage data guys or sort of any industry. One of the big things that we've got here are the wheels. So these are the biggest wheels in the industry here, 10 inches here, nice rubber wheels here. These wheels will enable you to get over rough terrain. If you're at an unfinished job site, if you have to go up the stairs, these wheels are really key, biggest industry, huge for anybody doing any kind of work on a job site. So that's really a key feature there.
Speaker 2:The other key feature is this integrated side rail here. So we've got lots of these little accessories here that you can put on and you can customize it. Right, you say, OK, I need something from my parts bin here I got this is for my coffee cup, my coffee holder here. So we've got lots of different things where, again, people can click these in on the sides, build their own thing Down here. We've got a magnetic plate Again, anything strong, rare earth magnet here. This is a pair of side cutters. You know what this is? Linemen, pliers I thought those were hammers. Yeah, my legal department would claim otherwise, but yes, we know that people do that, but yeah. So again, lots of different things that you can do and customize your own setup here. So again, if you're doing something and you just need a parts bin or you need something else, you can customize the setup. So those are two key features.
Speaker 2:And then one of the key features that we really like here that is out there. There we go. So it's a removable handle, right. So again, if you're going to put this thing in, you're going to break it down. You don't have to put it into your tonneau cover under your truck. You don't have to tip it back and have everything fall underneath. You just take this out and then, once you separate everything here, then you can put it back and then, when you get on the job site the next day, just lock those things in. So those are three features for anybody, no matter what industry you're in, that really appeal to you. It's not just electrician focus. We do have some things on here that really appeal to electricians, but there's other things on here that make it a wide appeal for almost any industry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that detachable handle thing. When I went and bought my Modbox from Lowe's, I have a crew cab F350. So I put it in the back seat and it's actually our farm truck, so we have a cover because we have German shepherds and I didn't want somebody looking in the back of the truck, seeing this brand new Modbox sitting back and breaking my window right. So I just took my dog and put it over. Well, it was kind of sticking up. I was like, well, gee, pop that right off. You didn't even know the thing was there, didn't even know it was there.
Speaker 2:I think the biggest thing. I always tell the story we were lugging this thing around went to the show. I call an Uber driver to come pick me up one day and the guy shows up in a Toyota Camry and we got a couple of guys we got to put in the back trunk of the car. But it's easy, right, we just pop the handle off, throw it in the trunk, Everything fits. We're going to be able to fit the three stack in here, all three boxes in his trunk and off we went. So again, if you're an independent guy, if you have a pickup truck, you have a small car, whatever it might be, this easily stores away once we sort of pull the handle up and move it on. Did you fly with?
Speaker 1:your.
Speaker 2:Modboxes. So we transported them, we have flown with them before. If you separate them, if you need to check them, you can't put it through as a three stack because TSA will mess it up, but all three of these things can be separated here fairly easily. Here Where's my little area Sorry, there's my lock. You can press this out, you can move any of these three things here. I got a bunch of stuff on it, but again you're able to transport all three of these things. And then there's extra real steel reinforced locking mechanisms here where you can put a padlocking, put a cable lock, whatever it might be, and then these steel metal clasps here will keep it stored. So again, if you are traveling with this thing for no reason and we have traveled with it you can put it through this check baggage and we haven't had any problems with it.
Speaker 1:Oh, very cool. We'll come back and visit that, because I got some questions about traveling with it. Look, can you give us some details about, maybe, the size and the weight of it? You've got three components right. You've got the rolling toolbox, the bin box and then the top one. Just give us some rough idea of what size and weight and what kind of stuff can we put in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the rolling toolbox at the base here, this bottom one here, gives you about two cubic feet of space for storage. Once you add in the medium box and the small box, that's another extra almost two cubic feet of storage. So about four total cubic feet of storage there. The bottom box here, the rolling toolbox at the bottom here, weighs only 29 pounds but it can withstand about 250 pounds of weight on top of it. So again, if you're on a job site and you're just using this thing, you want to sit down, have your lunch, take a load off your feet, you can also use that box as a seat there as well. So as you get higher, again there's some other stuff. We don't recommend sitting too high on this thing. But about two cubic feet in the bottom one, two cubic in the middle ones there and then 29 pounds weight on the rolling toolbox.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice. So the level of these injury covers the whole entire country, actually covers the whole world, and we have some harsh environments that we work in. You probably think I'm talking about, maybe, construction sites I know that you already thought about construction sites just based on the size of the wheel. But what about the technician who's working up in Bangor, maine, where it gets super cold? Does that plastic become brittle and break? What about the technician in Miami, florida, where UV just kills anything plastic?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know. So it's made of impact resistant polymers. But I think, more importantly for again you mentioned some of the some of the weather and some of those things it is IP 65 rated for protection against debris and rain and any kind of water damage there. So, again, if you are dragging it through the mud and it does get a bunch of mud all over it, you can just take a quick hose spray it down. Or if you're outside again in the elements, there IP 65 rated against debris and and the elements. One of the things that Milwaukee has they.
Speaker 1:they have tons of options, unfortunately, and you guys just came out this year with the stuff. I know you're coming out with some new stuff. Can you give us like an overview of what's coming, what you're gonna have coming out and time frames that are gonna be coming out?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So again I mentioned something that you know we got parts been. We got the magnetic tool holder here. We've got the cup holder. We've got a set of these hooks here which can be used to carry extension cords. Again I've got right now I've got the. I've got our fish tape held on there. But we've got a lot of stuff coming out remainder of 2023 still and then into 2024.
Speaker 2:The big thing that everyone's been asking for, which we will have, are the modular drawers. Right, so you want to pull out the modular drawers. You want to have different things in there. Those will be coming out soon. We've also got a variety of customizable pouches and things like that, where you can help me lock them on here. You can switch them out Right now. I'm going to move my notes here for a second. You know we've got some tool pouches right now. Right, so a guy can use his pouch. He can lock that thing in. Put that in. The guy has a backpack with his tools just dropped my bender guys a backpack for his tools. He can lock that in as well. So again, right now we've got some great storage options here, but again we coming out in 2024. We've also got another host of other tool carrying options that a guy can use on his job site. But again, the big thing that everyone's been asking for that we will be coming out with are those modular drawers.
Speaker 1:That's when I'm reaching out to the different communities. I'm plugged into because I asked them for some feedback on both the mop boxes and the pack outs and stuff, and one of the one of the biggest things I heard is well, milwaukee's got drawers, milwaukee's got drawers, okay, well, so what?
Speaker 2:We'll have drawers.
Speaker 1:Drawers are coming Exactly On the flip side of that, though, what I also heard was almost at the equal volume level was but clients got the rail system on the side, and that's where one of the things again and you were showing that magnetic thing is as you're showing it I was just thinking, man, I could have used one of those this week. We have a farm, we harvest the two pigs, and you go through like seven knives when you do that, right, and that thing would have been great because I would have just stuck to the side of that box when I had to. Yeah, so again.
Speaker 2:If that's what you need to get things done, this little magnetic thing here, you just, you know, clip it right on the side and again, then you're off and running again. If you need a parts bin of sorts here, you know you want to have a parts bin with all your little whatever you need there wiring, nuts or screws, or fasteners, whatever again you can just sort of make this here and off you go. We have a variety of those things. So the integrated rail was really key for us because we know that no two jobs are the same, no two workers are the same. So, you know, this enables a guy to customize it, make it modular and hopefully find whatever solution that they need to. You know, find their solution on their job site.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as I was looking at your product, one of the things I love about your website is the build verse. Oh nice, I love that thing. I can't wait for all the new products come out so I could kind of put it in build on stuff. But as I was building the system, kind of looking at it and stuff and trying to download the PDF, as a technician in the field, when you have to get on pulling the cable, the next thing is to get to terminate the cables.
Speaker 1:So a lot of times what I used to do is I used to just find an old five gallon bucket somewhere, a piece of cardboard, cardboard box, and put into viters and I'd have my voice, jackson, one been the data and another my face plates and other. And just looking at the one, you have to have the one with the lid and then you have the one it's open. The one it's open could hold the face plates. The one with the lid you can have your voice and data. Just, you can just have them right there, not have to build that box. I just, I just love that. I just absolutely love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we definitely spent. We definitely spent a lot of time, talked to a lot of folks and and you know scenarios just as you mentioned here, we heard that time and time again. So that's why we made this rail. We made it so that we can you know, guys can customize their solutions. Some guys need a closed one, some guys need an open one and we have solutions for both those guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you said you talking about the new products. Do you have any or do you currently have something? Maybe I just missed, or you can be coming out with some kind of a mounting systems where they can mount it in there, like say, on the wall of a shop or we?
Speaker 2:do get a lot of those questions around the shop or the truck or things like that. So I would say stay tuned. You know we're we have a pretty much a pretty aggressive roadmap of things that we're going to be launching for the next couple years. So, again, we've got a few things that are on the hot burner up front, like I mentioned, those modular drawer shells there that everybody's clamoring for. But yeah, so there's lots of different things that are on the pipeline. I would say stay tuned, keep checking back on client tools dot com. Slash my box for all those things, because we have heard people and we do know what people are looking for. We just, you know, we'll start launching things every year from here on out.
Speaker 1:So that's a beautiful thing about not being the first one to a market, right, because one of the problems that the pack out kids had was their wheels. Yeah, the first generation had a huge problem with the wheels and so now they had to fix that. So that's, and just because you're not the first person market, you can give the advantage of not having to retool to come up with new stuff because the first version is bad and a lot of people, unfortunately, look at that negatively. But I don't mean there's a lot of companies after that weren't the first to market, you know like. You know, like the Apple MP3.
Speaker 2:Right, I was just going to say right, that's, that's always. That's always the biggest example that everybody uses. Right, and a lot of MP3 players out before Apple came out with the iPod, and you know, look what they did there. So same with phones. Right, there were a lot of cellular phones out before we all had an iPhone. So, yeah, we did take a look at the market, we did ask a lot of people and we did hear a lot of feedback about other systems and wheels, and so we took a lot of time and spent a lot of time designing these to make sure that they could withstand the environment and that they were the right size as well. You know, we didn't want to make a decision just based on cost. We wanted to make a decision based on the user need and find the right size wheels for them to, you know, get across the job site to take them upstairs, but also something that's going to last.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you mentioned the 10 inch wheels, I'm really curious about that one, because I've got plenty steps here in the farm that I'm going to take both these cases. I'm going to fill them up with cinder blocks, so that way, the exact same weight. I'm going to take them up the steps and I have shoulder surgery, so I'll be able to tell you if one's harder than the other.
Speaker 2:All right, let's go. Yeah, let us know how that goes.
Speaker 1:There'll be a video coming out of it, trust me. And then, like I said, the new podcast is on the top of the hill. Well, it looks like a construction site from the end of my driveway to the top of the hill because the tractor working all this stuff. So it's all Florida sugar sand, right? So I'm going to take them both all the way up that hill. And that's sugar sand Another video. So I'm going to be real curious to see how well those 10 inch wheels do compared to the, to the other wheels on the other, on the other product line.
Speaker 2:We have confidence that they're going to perform well for you.
Speaker 1:Nice, yeah, make my job use. That's what I really do. So one of the things we know with technicians, we're running around with cable testers and certifiers and OTDRs and stuff like that and a lot of times, although those main factors are getting better about putting them in cases they used to just send to us in like bags. Is there some kind of compartment or some kind of maybe material that if I could take, if I was to take that top box that I could do a cut out and have like an OTDR system wouldn't shift around inside the box?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so right now we don't have the, we don't have the foam instruments that you're talking about. But on this top box here I'm going to open this up on the top box here we do have some dividers inside that you can it will help your various different dividers that you can place in here to help compartmentalize your things. So, depending on what you're carrying, we do have some various things here. You can make this little space here to put your stuff in. You know whatever it might be to help that out. So we do have some.
Speaker 2:We do have dividers, sections in here all along. Everything here that you can do. And then even in the lower lower box is there. We've got a rail system inside as well where you can clip some things. So again, if you're using that tool pouch holder, you want to put something in there, you can clamp that into one of the lower boxes. So we do have some things. We don't have those foam inserts you're talking about, but we do have some dividers and some other things that are you can use inside the cases to help keep your things from jostling around.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. So you said you have. You have the reinforced, reinforced locking hole there. Yep, is it reinforced on both the lid and the base, or is it just one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it goes through. So if you look here I'm going to come up a little closer here you'll see steel reinforced hole here so you can run a cable all the way down through all three of these here, right?
Speaker 1:Gotcha.
Speaker 2:And then so you can lock all three together. Or if you're traveling right, you're just traveling I'm going to take this. You're just traveling here, right, you can just lock, you can just put a padlock on the one there and run with that. So again, we do have this here and then these metal clasper here, but we do have a that steel reinforced section for your boxes there.
Speaker 1:So you mentioned it's IP65 rated IP's ingress protection. What's the 65 rating mean?
Speaker 2:So there's I think the highest is IP67, if I'm not mistaken. And so it really is about two things ingress, protection against debris, so like more like hard matter stuff, like dust and dirt and things of that nature. And then there's also protection against water and things of that nature. So one is more of a solid and one is more of a liquid. So, again, I believe 67 is the highest or it's 65, which is the next, which is the next next one down. So it's, it's got pretty good protection against, again, if you're on a job site, you do have a pretty expensive piece of equipment. You don't want to get dust or dirt in it. This will protect it. And again, if you do have something and you are out in some elements there it is IP65 rated give you some protection against the weather elements as well, whether it's, you know, rain, snow, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1:And that's. That's one of the tests I'm going to do is I'm going to put my old job box to good use. I'm going to fill it up with water again and I'm going to put a mob box in the pack out in the bottom and had waited down with with cinder blocks. I'm going to sit overnight, see how much water gets into them.
Speaker 2:That's a good, let me know, let me know how. That one. I want to check that video out too. But yeah, so IP65 rated again. I think the highest is 67, which you know has some things about submersion. But again, 65 wise, you should be just fine on a job site out there. Against protecting against the elements.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not concerned that some technicians going to store the water where there's I mean, store the toolbox where there's water but right sitting in the back of the truck and they're driving down the highway 70 miles now in a rainstorm. If it can stay, if it can stay and be underwater 24 hours, I'm pretty sure it could probably be a big back of somebody.
Speaker 2:I said I'm I'm pretty confident that the first scenario is somebody driving in their pickup truck on a highway. Be pretty good protection for him back there.
Speaker 1:So Exactly so. I kind of mentioned earlier my shoulder surgery I had five years ago. I had shoulder, I had torn bicep muscle and so it hurts after a while when I started doing repetitive moves and stuff. So what kind of ergonomic considerations did you guys put into building your mod out kits?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think the, I think the big thing is again, we mentioned the wheels and that's easily, easily, easily transported and rolled right. So it's, you know, it's easily just for somebody to go move this thing around, ergonomic wise. And again, obviously you're going to load it up. But you know, we mentioned some of the things here. I mean, we've got easy available handles here with over molded grips. We've got padded shoulder straps here on everything. Again, give you a little, you know, if you're, if you're happened to be taking this thing here, you know it's, it'll have a little bit of padding on the shoulder here. And the same with the backpack, right so the backpack here, padded shoulder straps here, you know.
Speaker 2:So, again, if you're taking this thing on a job site, you've got some, you've got some protection here. And then, if you're, if it's too heavy and you've, you know you've loaded the thing up for bear, you're ready to go out to a job and you don't want to carry your shoulder, you know, just lock it in there, you know, and then you're off and running. So from an ergonomic perspective, really, it's just, it's about the stack here, it's about how easy it rolls, it's about how, you know, the handle is, you know, very comfortable with over molded grips here. All the handles here have over molded grips if you want to carry these things. But again, if you're going to attach things here, padded straps, if you take them off or if you're working with these things here, you know again pretty easy to again just to lock them in. If I can get in there, there you go, lock it in, you're off and ready, you're ready to go. So let's talk about warranties.
Speaker 1:right, Okay, what is the? What is the client offer for the warranty on their mob boxes?
Speaker 2:So it's pretty standard warranty. You know, we we guarantee it free from defects, that we make it so if you work, you know, if you get something and there is an issue which there hasn't been any issues to date take it back to your, take it back to wherever you bought it and they'll they'll take care of you for it there. So pretty much standard warranty. Obviously, these things are meant to get used and abused and so it's not a lifetime warranty, because we do know that there is, there will be, a life of the certain life of the tool here that will, it will wear out over time. But standard, regular client warranties apply where it's free from manufacturers defects. So if you have any problems, you get it home, take it back to your store, they'll take care of you. And if something happens on the job site where something malfunctions one way or another, just take it back to your distributor or, you know, big box retailer and they'll take care of it for you.
Speaker 1:What was that?
Speaker 2:That's our, that's my studio. Guys there, give me, give me the emphasis on client. Take care of it for you there.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go, there you go. Is there any maintenance practice that somebody's going to need to follow, like, do they need to keep the the rubber gasket moist or oiled, or the wheels lubed?
Speaker 2:No, I mean the wheels, don't. Yeah, I mean you know, basically the maintenance is, you know, just don't let it dump out of your truck at 65 miles an hour on the on the highway. I don't recommend that. But overall, yeah, I mean again it, you know, just make sure you're, you know, taking care of it like you take care of any of your tools. There's no special maintenance in terms of the gasket or the wheels that we recommend. Just make sure that you know you can get sturdy or whatever. Just wipe it down and it'll be fine. And the impact resistant polymer you know should, should withstand you anything on the job site. And you mentioned some of the UV rays. You know there is some UV protection on this as well. So again, no special things that are needed to take care of it. Just treat it well and it'll last you for a while.
Speaker 1:One thing Milwaukee has is a large community. Yes, where is client's community?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, yeah, so we're all. I mean, we're obviously pretty huge on all social media channels Facebook, instagram, tiktok, youtube, whatever it might be. But if you're I mentioned earlier about client tools collectors if you'd like to collect things or see things that other people collect, check out the client tools collectors Facebook group, and those guys have some really unique things that they're finding all the time that they're purchasing. Or if you're just a fan of client tools, go again on Facebook. Check out the client tools fans Facebook group, and that's just people like to show off their collection. Again, there's a lot of great people on there moderators, who will answer your questions about things, you know, trying to find something, and they're a great group of people in both those groups and everybody helps each other out. So if you're looking for a tool or you want to trade a tool or buy a tool or sell a tool, those guys are really great and they'll help you out. So client tools collectors on Facebook or client tools fans on Facebook are two really great groups for your audience to check out.
Speaker 1:You know, technicians, typical men, we can't just leave things well enough alone. We buy a car, we got to put nice shiny wheels on and do exhaust and we got to trick out the paint right Now with the whole 3D printing community right, have you heard of anybody in the 3D printing community making accessories for your stuff already?
Speaker 2:Not yet. You know we did see a lot of that homegrown stuff that's popped up around some of the competition for various things, and you know we certainly appreciate some of those ideas that people were doing, but we haven't seen anything with ours yet. I guess maybe it's a very complete system and we've offered everybody everything they could possibly want. So no need for that yet. But no, I'm sure as this thing grows and as this thing spends some more time in the marketplace, people will do their own mods for it and we will see it. But right now I have not seen anything on that.
Speaker 1:Got you. I guarantee you there will be a community.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure I'm sure people will, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to make this claim right here. I'm going to stake this claim. I guarantee you, sometimes somebody's going to 3D print something and you guys are going to look at that and you're going to say, hey, we need to offer that.
Speaker 2:Right, why don't we think of that? No, that's great. Yeah, I mean, I guarantee you, I'm sure I'm sure you know what I'm always amazed at the ingenuity of our customers and our audiences. We always get a lot of great feedback from people on improvements and things like that, so I'm always amazed at how smart people are out there in the world.
Speaker 1:Greg, I appreciate your time and I'd like you to put your mod box to the test.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, we look forward to seeing those videos and thank you for having us today and again, if anybody has any questions about it, clienttoolscom slash mod box.
Speaker 1:I hope you enjoy that as much as I did. I have reached out to Milwaukee to give them their equal time and I'm going to start doing my tests. I have planned to include filling up the job box of water and putting them both into water overnight and then seeing how much water gets into them. Yeah, simulate sitting in the back of a pickup truck driving through a rainstorm. I'm going to drag them up the hill to the new podcast studio, which currently looks like a construction site because of all the tractor work, and then I'm also going to pull them up the steps on the, on the deck and stuff to see how well the size of the wheels actually makes pulling them up them stacks. If you have a, if you have a test that you think I should do, put that in the comment box down below.
Speaker 1:And one thing I forgot to mention the, the mod box and the pack out kit that you're going to see in this testing. I bought those. Those were not given to me. I went to Lowe's and I went to Home Depot and I bought them. So this test is not going to be influenced by somebody giving me free products. These are my genuine opinion. I've got skin in this game and whichever one wins, whichever system wins, that's what I'm going to be building my platform off of. Until next time, everybody. Knowledge is power.
